DC vs Gross DC vs Nominal DC

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08 Apr 2024 19:54 #13070 by Jeremiah Reagan
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I think I follow.

I expected that Subarray 1 DC power gross (kW) would be the unclipped output of the panels, but it looks like voltage clipping happens somewhere before that as evidenced by changing the inverter affecting the hourly Subarray 1 DC power gross (kW) values (as seen in the attached) 

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.  So the general flow would be,

Raw DC output from the subarrays (totaled in Annual DC energy nominal (kWh/yr)) --> Voltage clipping produces Subarray 1-4 DC power gross (kW) (totaled in Annual DC energy gross (kWh/yr)) --> DC losses applied to produce Inverter DC input power (kW) (totaled in Annual DC energy (kWh/yr)? ) --> Power clipping, inverter efficiency, and other inverter parametersapplied to find Gross AC Output.

Is this the correct relationship between the single annual values and the hourly data? If there were no voltage clipping would the nominal DC and gross DC be the same? Or am I misunderstanding what the nominal is?
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09 Apr 2024 16:36 - 09 Apr 2024 16:36 #13074 by Paul Gilman
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Hi Jeremiah,

Sorry for the confusion.

SAM calculates the annual "energy" and "energy gross" variables from hourly data:

Annual DC energy gross (kWh/yr) = SUM( Subarray 1 DC power gross (kW) )
Annual DC energy (kWh/yr) = SUM( Inverter DC input power (kW) )


It calculates the annual "energy nominal" value from the total annual plane-of-array irradiance and the module efficiency from the Module page:

Annual DC energy nominal (kWh/yr) = POA irradiance total after reflection (IAM) (kWh/yr) * Module Efficiency

The annual POA irradiance is the sum of hourly values:

POA irradiance total after reflection (IAM) (kWh/yr) = SUM( Array POA radiation total after reflection (IAM) (kW) )

SAM does not calculate time series (hourly or subhourly) "nominal DC power" values. (It only calculates an annual nominal DC energy value.) For each time step, it calculates the DC power from the DC voltage. During time steps when the inverter clips the array voltage to the minimum or maximum MPPT voltage, the DC power is based on the clipped voltage.

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Paul.
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09 Apr 2024 22:24 #13075 by Jeremiah Reagan
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Thanks, that clarifies things.

So it sounds like if I want to proceed with my Pysam project where I combine more than 4 subarrays (essentially running the JSON files from multiple SAM tabs and combining the results), I should set the inverter arbitrarily high on max voltage so there's no voltage clipping, combine the various Subarray DC power gross (kW) values, apply the DC losses, and then use those hourly values as the Inverter DC input power variable when modeling whatever separate inverter I want to use.

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09 Apr 2024 22:47 #13076 by Jeremiah Reagan
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Sorry, one final thing.

I get that nominal DC is POA irradiance total after reflection (IAM) * Module Efficiency. 

And that the Gross DC has voltage clipping applied to it before calculating the power.

But it seems that even without voltage clipping there's still some slight difference. between the two totals. Is there some additional module specific loss being applied here? Something to do with the operating temperatures and real efficiency while nominal DC just goes by a constant value of what's on the label, or something like that?

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10 Apr 2024 15:41 - 10 Apr 2024 15:42 #13077 by Paul Gilman
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Hi Jeremiah,

I'm not sure how you're building your PySAM model. If you use the Pvsamv1 module, all of that work is done for you. You specify the number of inverters, and for each subarray, the number of modules per string and strings in parallel, and the model calculates the subarray DC power and voltages along with the inverter input power and voltages.

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10 Apr 2024 15:48 - 10 Apr 2024 15:48 #13078 by Paul Gilman
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Hi Jeremiah,

The annual nominal DC energy is based on the module's nominal efficiency, which is the efficiency at standard test conditions (STC). The annual DC gross energy is based on the hourly (or subhourly) calculated ouptut of the system where the module efficiency varies based on the operating conditions.

SAM reports the time series module operating efficiency as Subarray 1 Module efficiency (%).

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Paul.
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