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Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy
- evmurphy
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11 Nov 2022 13:15 #11681
by evmurphy
Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy was created by evmurphy
I am modeling a project that requires the electricity rate to change by different percentages in different years, so I would need to use the electricity bill escalation rate in schedule mode. However, I have found that the schedule mode is giving different results than value mode, even though I have tested using the exact same rate in both.
For example:
Test case 1:
Inflation rate: 2.5%
Electricity bill escalation rate (value mode): -0.7% real (1.8% nominal)
NPV: $513
Test case 2:
Inflation rate: 2.5%
Electricity bill escalation rate (schedule mode): 1.8% every year
NPV: $-33,073
All other parameters are identical between both models. Theoretically, shouldn't the results be identical even though I am using value mode in Test 1 and schedule mode in Test 2?
I have attached the test file. Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
For example:
Test case 1:
Inflation rate: 2.5%
Electricity bill escalation rate (value mode): -0.7% real (1.8% nominal)
NPV: $513
Test case 2:
Inflation rate: 2.5%
Electricity bill escalation rate (schedule mode): 1.8% every year
NPV: $-33,073
All other parameters are identical between both models. Theoretically, shouldn't the results be identical even though I am using value mode in Test 1 and schedule mode in Test 2?
I have attached the test file. Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
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12 Nov 2022 15:50 #11683
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy
Hi Evan,
The calculations for "schedule mode" are described in the "Edit Table Data by Column" topic in Help, in the "Window Reference" section: samrepo.nrelcloud.org/help/edit_data_table_column.htm
See the attached .sam file and Excel workbook with details about these calculations.
Best regards,
Paul.
The calculations for "schedule mode" are described in the "Edit Table Data by Column" topic in Help, in the "Window Reference" section: samrepo.nrelcloud.org/help/edit_data_table_column.htm
See the attached .sam file and Excel workbook with details about these calculations.
Best regards,
Paul.
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06 Dec 2022 08:13 #11760
by Green Air
Replied by Green Air on topic Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy
Hi Evan,
I think your point is valid since you just change one parameter and keep all the others identical. This way it could show which option (between the 2) works best.
The only thing I can think of is there might be other parameters to include in your model to get more accurate results.
I hope this helps
I think your point is valid since you just change one parameter and keep all the others identical. This way it could show which option (between the 2) works best.
The only thing I can think of is there might be other parameters to include in your model to get more accurate results.
I hope this helps
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02 Feb 2023 10:27 #11894
by evmurphy
Replied by evmurphy on topic Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy
Hi Paul,
Thanks for this info; it was extremely helpful!
I am attempting to add an input to the "Send to Excel with Equations" spreadsheet that would allow a user to input the rate escalation among all of the other inputs on the "Inputs and Outputs" sheet. However, I am realizing that the "Electric load annual growth rate" also has an effect on the results of this escalation equation.
I was hoping for some advice on implementing this feature in the excel workbook. If the load annual growth rate stays constant throughout the analysis, I assume that it shouldn't be too hard to figure out an equation, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks for this info; it was extremely helpful!
I am attempting to add an input to the "Send to Excel with Equations" spreadsheet that would allow a user to input the rate escalation among all of the other inputs on the "Inputs and Outputs" sheet. However, I am realizing that the "Electric load annual growth rate" also has an effect on the results of this escalation equation.
I was hoping for some advice on implementing this feature in the excel workbook. If the load annual growth rate stays constant throughout the analysis, I assume that it shouldn't be too hard to figure out an equation, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
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03 Feb 2023 16:41 #11897
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Electricity bill escalation rate: value mode vs. schedule mode discrepancy
Hi Evan,
For the Residential and Commercial financial models, SAM exports the annual "value of energy savings" to Row 97 of the Inputs and Outputs worksheet because the electricity bill calculations are too complicated to replicate in Excel. Because the effect of load growth is accounted for in SAM's internal calculations, I don't see an obvious way to make it an input to the spreadsheet.
Best regards,
Paul.
For the Residential and Commercial financial models, SAM exports the annual "value of energy savings" to Row 97 of the Inputs and Outputs worksheet because the electricity bill calculations are too complicated to replicate in Excel. Because the effect of load growth is accounted for in SAM's internal calculations, I don't see an obvious way to make it an input to the spreadsheet.
Best regards,
Paul.
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