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Field Thermal efficiency - Linear Fresnel MS - CSP
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12 Dec 2021 13:17 - 13 Dec 2021 17:24 #10382
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Dear Paul,
Could you please guide me on the physical meaning of the variable "Field thermal efficiency" in the Linear Fresnel Molten Salt model?
Shouldn't the value of this variable be between 0 and 1? Since it is an efficiency, right?
Please find attached a picture of the hourly results in the simulation. Thank you very much!
Miguel
Could you please guide me on the physical meaning of the variable "Field thermal efficiency" in the Linear Fresnel Molten Salt model?
Shouldn't the value of this variable be between 0 and 1? Since it is an efficiency, right?
Please find attached a picture of the hourly results in the simulation. Thank you very much!
Miguel
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13 Dec 2021 17:38 #10388
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Hi Miguel,
Those results seem to indicate something wrong with the inputs. The field thermal power absorbed should be positive, and as you note, the field thermal efficiency should be between zero and one.
Would you mind attaching the .sam file that generated these results?
Best regards,
Paul.
Those results seem to indicate something wrong with the inputs. The field thermal power absorbed should be positive, and as you note, the field thermal efficiency should be between zero and one.
Would you mind attaching the .sam file that generated these results?
Best regards,
Paul.
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14 Dec 2021 00:34 - 16 Dec 2021 09:39 #10394
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Replied by mfrasquet on topic Field Thermal efficiency - Linear Fresnel MS - CSP
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your answer. Please find attached the sam input file. I'm using one specific weather file "Andasol.csv" (you will find it attached too)
You can find values of thermal eff. outside [0,1] also in the default case. The following results were obtained using the deafult model Linear Fresnel with MS - in Dagget (I have also attached the file).
Thanks for your answer. Please find attached the sam input file. I'm using one specific weather file "Andasol.csv" (you will find it attached too)
You can find values of thermal eff. outside [0,1] also in the default case. The following results were obtained using the deafult model Linear Fresnel with MS - in Dagget (I have also attached the file).
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16 Dec 2021 10:02 #10407
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Replied by pgilman on topic Field Thermal efficiency - Linear Fresnel MS - CSP
Hi Miguel,
I think the problem is with the data in the Andasol.csv file. If you change the weather file in the Andasol_Fresnel case to daggett, the results look more reasonable.
The Andasol.csv weather file has a column for Dew Point Temperature, but the values are all zeros. The table in SAM's Help topic "Weather Data Elements" (under "Weather Data" in the table of contents) shows what weather data is required for the CSP models, including linear Fresnel.
Best regards,
Paul.
I think the problem is with the data in the Andasol.csv file. If you change the weather file in the Andasol_Fresnel case to daggett, the results look more reasonable.
The Andasol.csv weather file has a column for Dew Point Temperature, but the values are all zeros. The table in SAM's Help topic "Weather Data Elements" (under "Weather Data" in the table of contents) shows what weather data is required for the CSP models, including linear Fresnel.
Best regards,
Paul.
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24 Dec 2021 11:48 #10439
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Replied by mfrasquet on topic Field Thermal efficiency - Linear Fresnel MS - CSP
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the answer, I corrected the weather data. Could you please post the definition of "Field thermal efficiency"? Which is the eq used to calculate this variable?
Do you know where I can find the definition of the hourly data output variables? I tried looking in the help and the manual but I cannnot find them. Thanks very much and merry Christmas! Miguel
Thanks for the answer, I corrected the weather data. Could you please post the definition of "Field thermal efficiency"? Which is the eq used to calculate this variable?
Do you know where I can find the definition of the hourly data output variables? I tried looking in the help and the manual but I cannnot find them. Thanks very much and merry Christmas! Miguel
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30 Dec 2021 16:36 #10450
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Replied by pgilman on topic Field Thermal efficiency - Linear Fresnel MS - CSP
Hi Miguel,
Unfortunately, we do not have a complete list of definitions for all of the CSP hourly outputs in SAM.
You can find publications describing the models here:
sam.nrel.gov/concentrating-solar-power/csp-publications.html
For the linear Fresnel molten salt model, the field thermal efficiency is very close to field thermal power produced / field thermal power absorbed.
I will ask the CSP team for a more precise definition of the field thermal efficiency.
Best regards,
Paul.
Unfortunately, we do not have a complete list of definitions for all of the CSP hourly outputs in SAM.
You can find publications describing the models here:
sam.nrel.gov/concentrating-solar-power/csp-publications.html
For the linear Fresnel molten salt model, the field thermal efficiency is very close to field thermal power produced / field thermal power absorbed.
I will ask the CSP team for a more precise definition of the field thermal efficiency.
Best regards,
Paul.
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