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Power tower circular field optimization wizard crashes with units error
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14 Dec 2011 10:06 #113
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Power tower circular field optimization wizard crashes with units error was created by mdeck_thermata
I'm messing around with very small heliostats. Using the "power tower optimization" sample case, I tried entering a heliostat width that was less than one. Then running the optimization wizard I get an error shown below. I suspect this is a fairly simple parameter reading error because i can enter 1.0 as the width and height, works fine. But entering 0.99 for either one, it gives this error. I am not changing any other values in the sample, using the "Dry" version. Is this perhaps something that could be fixed quickly?
Thanks,
Mike Deck
PTGEN VERSION 23JUN11
Optimizing plant dimensions...
forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit 15, file C:\Users\Michael\AppData\Local\SAMEXE\SAMEXE-Michael-INST1-2011.6.30\simdata\ptwizard\opttape
Image PC Routine Line Source
PTGen.exe 004D8E8A Unknown Unknown Unknown
Stack trace terminated abnormally.
Thanks,
Mike Deck
PTGEN VERSION 23JUN11
Optimizing plant dimensions...
forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit 15, file C:\Users\Michael\AppData\Local\SAMEXE\SAMEXE-Michael-INST1-2011.6.30\simdata\ptwizard\opttape
Image PC Routine Line Source
PTGen.exe 004D8E8A Unknown Unknown Unknown
Stack trace terminated abnormally.
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15 Dec 2011 12:40 #114
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Replied by pgilman on topic Power tower circular field optimization wizard crashes with units error
Hi Mike,
Thank you for the question. The trough modeling team has been working on it and here's what we found:
1. There is bug in the power tower field optimization code (it uses a program called PTGen) in SAM 2011.12.2 that is fixed in the attached file. The bug has to do with the way the code handles decimal values, and only affects the power tower model with large numbers of small heliostats.
The bug does not affect power tower systems with typical large heliostats, so you do not need to implement the bug fix unless you are modeling fields with small heliostats.
To implement the fix, please download the attached file. Be sure SAM is closed and go to your SAM installation folder (C:\SAM\2011.12.2 by default in Windows) and find the exelib\tools folder. Rename the PTGen.exe file to something like PTGen-old.exe. Then copy the attached version of the file to the folder (it must be named PTGen.exe).
We have not fully tested this version of PTGen, so if you encounter errors with the new version of PTGen, please revert to the old version by changing the file names.
2. Now for some comments regarding the power tower field optimization algorithm and small heliostats. SAM uses an model called DELSOL for the optimization (PTGen is part of DELSOL).
DELSOL uses an empirical curve to determine the "ideal" spacing between heliostats as the field is laid out. This curve was developed at Sandia National Laboratories quite a while ago, and the prevailing assumption at that time was that heliostats should be relatively large and should be spaced to avoid significant shading or blocking. With those assumptions, the solar field performance can be approximated by breaking it up into a set of large zones like the ones on SAM's power tower Heliostat Field page.
Now smaller heliostats are becoming more common. The empirical spacing curve in DELSOL may not be accurate when the number of individual heliostats in a zone is in the thousands rather than the tens. We therefore urge strong caution in using DELSOL in this type of situation because we have not done any analysis to show whether the results are realistic.
Best regards,
Paul.
Thank you for the question. The trough modeling team has been working on it and here's what we found:
1. There is bug in the power tower field optimization code (it uses a program called PTGen) in SAM 2011.12.2 that is fixed in the attached file. The bug has to do with the way the code handles decimal values, and only affects the power tower model with large numbers of small heliostats.
The bug does not affect power tower systems with typical large heliostats, so you do not need to implement the bug fix unless you are modeling fields with small heliostats.
To implement the fix, please download the attached file. Be sure SAM is closed and go to your SAM installation folder (C:\SAM\2011.12.2 by default in Windows) and find the exelib\tools folder. Rename the PTGen.exe file to something like PTGen-old.exe. Then copy the attached version of the file to the folder (it must be named PTGen.exe).
We have not fully tested this version of PTGen, so if you encounter errors with the new version of PTGen, please revert to the old version by changing the file names.
2. Now for some comments regarding the power tower field optimization algorithm and small heliostats. SAM uses an model called DELSOL for the optimization (PTGen is part of DELSOL).
DELSOL uses an empirical curve to determine the "ideal" spacing between heliostats as the field is laid out. This curve was developed at Sandia National Laboratories quite a while ago, and the prevailing assumption at that time was that heliostats should be relatively large and should be spaced to avoid significant shading or blocking. With those assumptions, the solar field performance can be approximated by breaking it up into a set of large zones like the ones on SAM's power tower Heliostat Field page.
Now smaller heliostats are becoming more common. The empirical spacing curve in DELSOL may not be accurate when the number of individual heliostats in a zone is in the thousands rather than the tens. We therefore urge strong caution in using DELSOL in this type of situation because we have not done any analysis to show whether the results are realistic.
Best regards,
Paul.
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15 Dec 2011 16:35 #115
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Paul, yes -- we are seeing some interesting things with DELSOL. I will try this fix.
Is DELSOL also used to calculate the flux independent of the optimizer? If I lay out a field of very small mirrors by hand, will we have a realistic value for energy production?
Is DELSOL also used to calculate the flux independent of the optimizer? If I lay out a field of very small mirrors by hand, will we have a realistic value for energy production?
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16 Dec 2011 12:49 #116
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Paul, thanks. It optimizes a smaller mirror without crashing now.
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