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Hydrogen Production FC model
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23 Jun 2021 12:36 #9745
by al1424532
Hydrogen Production FC model was created by al1424532
Hi,
I want to create a PV-Hydrogen FC-Battery Model. When selecting the fuel for FC, there is an option to select fuel cell limited on site. Where is the hydrogen coming from? Can I simulate the production of hydrogen elsewhere?
Also, for thermal rates, it this related to the fuel for the FC? In this case, is the hydrogen being purchased elsewhere?
Thank you in advance!
I want to create a PV-Hydrogen FC-Battery Model. When selecting the fuel for FC, there is an option to select fuel cell limited on site. Where is the hydrogen coming from? Can I simulate the production of hydrogen elsewhere?
Also, for thermal rates, it this related to the fuel for the FC? In this case, is the hydrogen being purchased elsewhere?
Thank you in advance!
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30 Jun 2021 10:41 - 30 Jun 2021 10:44 #9758
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Hydrogen Production FC model
Hi Al,
When you choose the Fuel limited on site option (at the bottom of the Fuel Cell input page), SAM runs the fuel cell as needed until it runs out of fuel. This assumes that there is a hydrogen storage tank as shown in the diagram in Figure 1 of Steward et al. (2013) "Fuel Cell Power Model Version 2: Startup Guide, System Designs, and Case Studies" available from www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/fuel-cell-power-model.html .
You can see the fuel consumption in the results by displaying the "Fuel consumption of fuel cell" output on the Time Series tab of the results page.
SAM does not have a Hydrogen production model. It assumes Hydrogen, Natural Gas, or some other fuel is available to power the fuel cell.
The buy and sell rates on the Thermal Rates page are for the cost of heat to meet the thermal load, and the value of heat generated by the system in excess of the thermal load. These are analogous to the rates for energy charges on the Electricity Rates page.
Best regards,
Paul.
When you choose the Fuel limited on site option (at the bottom of the Fuel Cell input page), SAM runs the fuel cell as needed until it runs out of fuel. This assumes that there is a hydrogen storage tank as shown in the diagram in Figure 1 of Steward et al. (2013) "Fuel Cell Power Model Version 2: Startup Guide, System Designs, and Case Studies" available from www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/fuel-cell-power-model.html .
You can see the fuel consumption in the results by displaying the "Fuel consumption of fuel cell" output on the Time Series tab of the results page.
SAM does not have a Hydrogen production model. It assumes Hydrogen, Natural Gas, or some other fuel is available to power the fuel cell.
The buy and sell rates on the Thermal Rates page are for the cost of heat to meet the thermal load, and the value of heat generated by the system in excess of the thermal load. These are analogous to the rates for energy charges on the Electricity Rates page.
Best regards,
Paul.
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07 Jul 2021 12:47 #9796
by al1424532
Replied by al1424532 on topic Hydrogen Production FC model
Hi Paul,
Are the thermal loads and electric loads separate? Given a certain demand, am I able to offset a part of it using the excess heat generated by the system? ie split part of the electric load to be covered by the thermal generation.
Also, for the fuel cell module, is there any way to account for an electrolyzer?
Thanks,
Al
Are the thermal loads and electric loads separate? Given a certain demand, am I able to offset a part of it using the excess heat generated by the system? ie split part of the electric load to be covered by the thermal generation.
Also, for the fuel cell module, is there any way to account for an electrolyzer?
Thanks,
Al
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07 Jul 2021 13:38 #9797
by pgilman
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Hi Al,
The thermal and electric loads are separate. The efficiency curve on the Fuel Cell page determines the amount of heat available to meet the thermal load. The recovered heat cannot be used to meet the electric load.
The model does not include an electrolyzer.
Best regards,
Paul.
The thermal and electric loads are separate. The efficiency curve on the Fuel Cell page determines the amount of heat available to meet the thermal load. The recovered heat cannot be used to meet the electric load.
The model does not include an electrolyzer.
Best regards,
Paul.
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30 Mar 2022 13:19 #10766
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Replied by scotb on topic Hydrogen Production FC model
Are there plans to include reversable fuel cells within SAM?
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30 Mar 2022 16:52 #10768
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Hi Scot,
We do not have funding at the moment for any new fuel cell features.
If you would like to make a feature request, please consider making on on the SAM GitHub repository here:
github.com/NREL/SAM/issues/new?template=feature_request.md
Best regards,
Paul.
We do not have funding at the moment for any new fuel cell features.
If you would like to make a feature request, please consider making on on the SAM GitHub repository here:
github.com/NREL/SAM/issues/new?template=feature_request.md
Best regards,
Paul.
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