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Simulation fails without DNI data

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05 Oct 2020 13:50 - 05 Oct 2020 15:43 #8806 by Schnierer
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Hello,

I have 1minute weather file with columns Year,Month,Day,Hour,Minute,GHI,DHI,DNI,TDRY,WSPD,WDIR and I can run PV system simulation succesfully. But when DNI column is not present in the file, my simulation does not want to run and results in error:



According to www.nrel.gov/docs/fy18osti/67399.pdf (page 12), SAM should be able to work with GHI+DHI data, without DNI.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thank you
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05 Oct 2020 15:51 #8807 by pgilman
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Hello,

Be sure to choose the appropriate "Weather File Irradiance Data" option under "Albedo - Sky DIffuse Model - Irradiance Data (Advanced)" on the Location and Resource page:



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Paul.
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05 Oct 2020 18:48 #8811 by Schnierer
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yes, that was the case. Now simulation is running, and only several warnings appears:
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -732.982 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:12 d:5 h:18], set to zero.
But I think it is just a result of calculation of DNI, some kind of minor issue (maybe due to solar geometry, different model, ..?).

thank you very much for quick and accurate support.

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Branislav

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06 Oct 2020 15:24 #8816 by pgilman
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Hi Branislav,

Yes, if there are only a few of those errors out of the 8760 hours in one year, you can ignore them.

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07 Oct 2020 09:41 #8824 by Schnierer
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Hi Paul,
errors are in count about 20 per month (average). They occur in morning or evening, typically one or two in hour. For example, this is a list for October:

SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -356.634 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:1 h:5], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -834.828 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:1 h:5], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -3418.52 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:1 h:5], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -281.697 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:2 h:5], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -861.727 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:2 h:5], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -244.557 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:24 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -428.493 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:24 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -1732.08 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:24 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -256.498 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:25 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -698.732 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:25 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -3810.47 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:25 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -329103 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:25 h:18], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -281.736 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:28 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -15593.1 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:28 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -291.927 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:30 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -886.767 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:30 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -145.701 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:31 h:4], set to zero.
SAM calculated negative direct normal irradiance -587.71 W/m2 at time [y:1990 m:10 d:31 h:4], set to zero.

Errors never occur around noon time, only morning or evening. So I think this is due to calculation on the edge of horizon (sun under/above horizon) and mostly due to very fine 1-minute time interval of data. Or do you think there would be another problem?

thank you and best regards
Branislav

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08 Oct 2020 20:27 #8832 by pgilman
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Hi Branislav,

I don't think there is another problem. The code for these calculations is here: github.com/NREL/ssc/blob/728c55c9cef1781af1ee946d76542efead86f0fe/shared/lib_irradproc.cpp#L1059.

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