- Posts: 13
Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required
- nielsrw
- Topic Author
Less
More
18 Jul 2020 07:23 #8446
by nielsrw
Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required was created by nielsrw
For some reason, SAM Simulations the attached file hangs
up at 66.6% and a forced quit is required to get out of the simulation.
Not sure what's wrong.
Thanks!
Niels
Not sure what's wrong.
Thanks!
Niels
Attachments:
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- pgilman
Less
More
- Posts: 5415
21 Jul 2020 10:14 #8459
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required
Hi Niels,
I see that the load profile in your file has negative values. Is that intentional? If so, what are the negative values meant to represent?
One way to investigate this issue is to allow the grid to charge the battery to ensure there is always sufficient power available to both meet the load and charge the battery. You can then use the Data Tables and Time Series tabs see how much energy is required to charge the battery for this peak-shaving application and adjust the battery size, PV system size and/or load accordingly.
Best regards,
Paul.
I see that the load profile in your file has negative values. Is that intentional? If so, what are the negative values meant to represent?
One way to investigate this issue is to allow the grid to charge the battery to ensure there is always sufficient power available to both meet the load and charge the battery. You can then use the Data Tables and Time Series tabs see how much energy is required to charge the battery for this peak-shaving application and adjust the battery size, PV system size and/or load accordingly.
Best regards,
Paul.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- pgilman
Less
More
- Posts: 5415
21 Jul 2020 10:22 #8463
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required
In response to:
I am looking at the results of my first modeling run and have some questions about the results. (I looked back at the forum discussion and I
still wasn't clear on this.)
The site has a few MW of existing generation, so there are periods in
the site's baseline hourly load data where the existing site is putting
power onto the grid.
Now the site wants to add PV and Batteries. In the modeling results, it
is clear that the battery is storing the new PV system's output, but is
SAM also able to know that the site's negative production hours are
times that it could charge the battery and is it able to include those
saving in the results?
I think a better approach to modeling the existing system than setting the load to negative values would be to include the existing system in the system design that you are modeling. That way, the system will represent the retrofitted project. You could also create a case for the existing system without the additional equipment to compare the results before and after the retrofit.
Best regards,
Paul.
I am looking at the results of my first modeling run and have some questions about the results. (I looked back at the forum discussion and I
still wasn't clear on this.)
The site has a few MW of existing generation, so there are periods in
the site's baseline hourly load data where the existing site is putting
power onto the grid.
Now the site wants to add PV and Batteries. In the modeling results, it
is clear that the battery is storing the new PV system's output, but is
SAM also able to know that the site's negative production hours are
times that it could charge the battery and is it able to include those
saving in the results?
I think a better approach to modeling the existing system than setting the load to negative values would be to include the existing system in the system design that you are modeling. That way, the system will represent the retrofitted project. You could also create a case for the existing system without the additional equipment to compare the results before and after the retrofit.
Best regards,
Paul.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- nielsrw
- Topic Author
Less
More
- Posts: 13
21 Jul 2020 11:52 #8465
by nielsrw
Replied by nielsrw on topic Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required
Thanks, Paul
So now I pulled the existing generators (2 wind turbines, 1 biogas CT, and one natural gas CT) output out of the factory's load. I have hourly kWh output files for each generator and I have them all combined. How did I get that into the PV/Battery model? I'd love to simply add it as generic generation with no costs or financial model - as it is part of the Factories baseline and not part of the new PV and battery investment.
n
So now I pulled the existing generators (2 wind turbines, 1 biogas CT, and one natural gas CT) output out of the factory's load. I have hourly kWh output files for each generator and I have them all combined. How did I get that into the PV/Battery model? I'd love to simply add it as generic generation with no costs or financial model - as it is part of the Factories baseline and not part of the new PV and battery investment.
n
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- pgilman
Less
More
- Posts: 5415
21 Jul 2020 14:54 #8468
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Simulation hangs up at 66.6% and forced quit is required
Hi Niels,
You might use the Generic Battery configuration for that purpose. On the Power Plant page, you can import the generation combined generation profile and then dispatch the battery to respond to that. SAM's configurations with batteries require a financial model both to account for the cost of battery replacements, and to provide information about how to dispatch the battery in response to electricity bill charges for behind-the-meter applications or to time-of-delivery factors for front-of-meter.
The problem with that approach is that the battery dispatch will not respond to the individual generators as it might in a real system. This is really a job for a model like HOMER, which is designed to model hybrid power systems.
Best regards,
Paul.
You might use the Generic Battery configuration for that purpose. On the Power Plant page, you can import the generation combined generation profile and then dispatch the battery to respond to that. SAM's configurations with batteries require a financial model both to account for the cost of battery replacements, and to provide information about how to dispatch the battery in response to electricity bill charges for behind-the-meter applications or to time-of-delivery factors for front-of-meter.
The problem with that approach is that the battery dispatch will not respond to the individual generators as it might in a real system. This is really a job for a model like HOMER, which is designed to model hybrid power systems.
Best regards,
Paul.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
Moderators: pgilman