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Dispatch Control
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11 Apr 2017 20:02 #5332
by Jessica Mello Kalbermatter
Dispatch Control was created by Jessica Mello Kalbermatter
Hello!
I've been trying to model my plant so that it won't work during the night. The way I've been working on it is by modifying the dispatch control. For the night hours - when I don't want it working - I've set the turbine out fraction equals to zero.
When I run the simulation, I usually get negative values for the System power generated - what do these negative values mean?
Also, what does negative values for TES Thermal energy into storage mean?
Best,
Jessica Mello
I've been trying to model my plant so that it won't work during the night. The way I've been working on it is by modifying the dispatch control. For the night hours - when I don't want it working - I've set the turbine out fraction equals to zero.
When I run the simulation, I usually get negative values for the System power generated - what do these negative values mean?
Also, what does negative values for TES Thermal energy into storage mean?
Best,
Jessica Mello
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12 Apr 2017 15:31 #5333
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Dispatch Control
Dear Jessica,
The negative values at night are to account for parasitic loads to operate pumps or electric heat trace equipment for freeze protection.
A negative value for TES thermal energy into storage in a given time step means that the TES is being discharged in that time step.
Best regards,
Paul.
The negative values at night are to account for parasitic loads to operate pumps or electric heat trace equipment for freeze protection.
A negative value for TES thermal energy into storage in a given time step means that the TES is being discharged in that time step.
Best regards,
Paul.
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08 Nov 2017 05:16 #5334
by mail@romanbader.com
Replied by mail@romanbader.com on topic Dispatch Control
Dear Paul,
I am also getting a negative value for "TES thermal energy into storage" in the "single values" results under "data tables". The value is around -92500 MWht for a system with a TES of around 5000 MWht. Assuming "TES thermal energy into storage" refers to the annual energy balance for the TES, how can this negative value be explained? I would expect it to be zero over one year, or differ from zero by no more than the amount of the TES capacity (in case the TES is empty at the beginning of the year and full at the end or vice versa). Is it due to heat losses from the TES?
Best regards,
Roman
I am also getting a negative value for "TES thermal energy into storage" in the "single values" results under "data tables". The value is around -92500 MWht for a system with a TES of around 5000 MWht. Assuming "TES thermal energy into storage" refers to the annual energy balance for the TES, how can this negative value be explained? I would expect it to be zero over one year, or differ from zero by no more than the amount of the TES capacity (in case the TES is empty at the beginning of the year and full at the end or vice versa). Is it due to heat losses from the TES?
Best regards,
Roman
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09 Nov 2017 13:00 #5335
by pgilman
Replied by pgilman on topic Dispatch Control
Dear Roman,
The value under "single value" is the sum of the hourly time series values under "hourly" (or it might be listed under 15-minute or similar if you are running subhourly simulations). You might want to investigate the operation of the TES by plotting data on the Time Series tab to understand what the model is doing.
If you want help with that investigation, please feel free to email me a copy of your .sam file by attaching it to an email from the Contact page (see link above).
Best regards,
Paul.
The value under "single value" is the sum of the hourly time series values under "hourly" (or it might be listed under 15-minute or similar if you are running subhourly simulations). You might want to investigate the operation of the TES by plotting data on the Time Series tab to understand what the model is doing.
If you want help with that investigation, please feel free to email me a copy of your .sam file by attaching it to an email from the Contact page (see link above).
Best regards,
Paul.
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