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PVWatts thermal model intial INOCT value
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27 Sep 2015 04:31 #3746
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Hi,
I took a look at PVWatts v5, and in there it says that the initial assumed INOCT temperatures for Fuentes model are:
49°C degrees for close roof mount
45°C for open rack and tracking
I was wondering if you could recommend an INOCT value for mounting configurations with insulated back?
I assume it should be a couple of degrees higher than close roof, but how much?
I understand this question may be difficult to answer, but I would be grateful on an assumption too.
Thank you.
I took a look at PVWatts v5, and in there it says that the initial assumed INOCT temperatures for Fuentes model are:
49°C degrees for close roof mount
45°C for open rack and tracking
I was wondering if you could recommend an INOCT value for mounting configurations with insulated back?
I assume it should be a couple of degrees higher than close roof, but how much?
I understand this question may be difficult to answer, but I would be grateful on an assumption too.
Thank you.
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28 Sep 2015 16:09 #3747
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Hello,
Fuentes (1985) has a discussion about estimating INOCT. Neises (2011) may also be a useful reference.
Best regards,
Paul.
Fuentes (1985) has a discussion about estimating INOCT. Neises (2011) may also be a useful reference.
Best regards,
Paul.
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30 Sep 2015 08:57 #3748
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Thank you Paul.
Great sources, both of them.
Great sources, both of them.
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30 Sep 2015 09:11 #3749
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Do you mind if I ask how does PVWatts Fuentes modified model distinguish between different Module types (Standard, Premium, Thin film)?
I took a look at the original Fuentes paper and code you linked above and it only gives an opportunity to distinguish between different mount types by changing the initial INOCT temperature.
But how does PVWatts address the Module type in Fuentes model?
Thank you for the reply.
I took a look at the original Fuentes paper and code you linked above and it only gives an opportunity to distinguish between different mount types by changing the initial INOCT temperature.
But how does PVWatts address the Module type in Fuentes model?
Thank you for the reply.
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30 Sep 2015 10:08 #3750
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Chapter 3 of the
PVWatts V5 reference manual
explains the difference between the three module types. Table 3 shows that PVWatts V5 uses a different temperature coefficient of power for each module type.
Also, the reference for the Fuentes model that I gave you is different from the one cited in the PVWatts manual: I cited the 1985 Master's thesis, and the manual cites a 1987 Sandia publication .
Best regards,
Paul.
Also, the reference for the Fuentes model that I gave you is different from the one cited in the PVWatts manual: I cited the 1985 Master's thesis, and the manual cites a 1987 Sandia publication .
Best regards,
Paul.
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30 Sep 2015 12:06 #3751
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Thank you Paul.
In both penultimate and your last reply, the link attached for Funetes model is the one from 1987, released by Sandia:
prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1985/850330.pdf
prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1985/850330.pdf
So we are ok.
I checked both the upper 1987 Sandia publication and the fortran code in the Appendixs, and there is no mention of temperature coefficient involved in Fuentes model calculation.
Does that mean that PVWatts does not address the issue of Module type in its modified Fuentes thermal model?
In both penultimate and your last reply, the link attached for Funetes model is the one from 1987, released by Sandia:
prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1985/850330.pdf
prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1985/850330.pdf
So we are ok.
I checked both the upper 1987 Sandia publication and the fortran code in the Appendixs, and there is no mention of temperature coefficient involved in Fuentes model calculation.
Does that mean that PVWatts does not address the issue of Module type in its modified Fuentes thermal model?
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