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                12 Jul 2019 06:38                #7531
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        Hello Paul,
I'm trying to understand how cooling system affects the performance of a Molten Salt Power Tower in SAM.
When using Air-cooled system I find no problem, but when using Evaporative system, SAM gives me a negative "Annual Energy" and an giant PPA price. I'm using wet bulb temperature, reduced pressure (0.087bar) and changed cycle thermal efficiency. Is there any other input that should be changed between air-cooled and evaporative cooling systems?
Thanks again for your help,
Javier.
PD: I've attached SAM and wheather files. In SAM file, you should go to "SUBC (WC)" case.
    I'm trying to understand how cooling system affects the performance of a Molten Salt Power Tower in SAM.
When using Air-cooled system I find no problem, but when using Evaporative system, SAM gives me a negative "Annual Energy" and an giant PPA price. I'm using wet bulb temperature, reduced pressure (0.087bar) and changed cycle thermal efficiency. Is there any other input that should be changed between air-cooled and evaporative cooling systems?
Thanks again for your help,
Javier.
PD: I've attached SAM and wheather files. In SAM file, you should go to "SUBC (WC)" case.
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                12 Jul 2019 11:03                #7534
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        Hi Javier,
Does the information in this post help answer your question?
sam.nrel.gov/forum/forum-general/1993-how-does-the-approach-temperature-of-cooling-water-affect-the-power-cycle-efficiency-of-csp-plant.html#6217
Best regards,
Paul.
    Does the information in this post help answer your question?
sam.nrel.gov/forum/forum-general/1993-how-does-the-approach-temperature-of-cooling-water-affect-the-power-cycle-efficiency-of-csp-plant.html#6217
Best regards,
Paul.
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                14 Jul 2019 03:45                #7536
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        Hi Paul!
Thanks for the link, it's a very detailed explanation!
I've had a look at that problem, but I find that I'm working in that condenser temperature range. This is my case:
Ambient temperature at design: 22ºC (Wet-bulb temp)
Reference condenser water dT: 10ºC
Approach temperature: 5ºC
I've also increased the cycle thermal efficiency from the dry-cooled case (41.3% to 43%), but I still find the same problem.
I've checked the weather file and realized there is no "wet-bulb temperature" data (Location and Resourse / View data) when you try to graph it. Is it possible?
Thank you again, and best regads,
Javier
    Thanks for the link, it's a very detailed explanation!
I've had a look at that problem, but I find that I'm working in that condenser temperature range. This is my case:
Ambient temperature at design: 22ºC (Wet-bulb temp)
Reference condenser water dT: 10ºC
Approach temperature: 5ºC
I've also increased the cycle thermal efficiency from the dry-cooled case (41.3% to 43%), but I still find the same problem.
I've checked the weather file and realized there is no "wet-bulb temperature" data (Location and Resourse / View data) when you try to graph it. Is it possible?
Thank you again, and best regads,
Javier
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                15 Jul 2019 09:38                #7539
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        Hi Javier,
As described in the "Weather Data, Weather Data Elements" topic of the SAM Help system, when the wet-bulb temperature is missing from the weather file, SAM calculates it from the dry-bulb temperature, atmospheric pressure, and relative humidity values in the weather file, but unfortunately does not report the result.
Best regards,
Paul.
    As described in the "Weather Data, Weather Data Elements" topic of the SAM Help system, when the wet-bulb temperature is missing from the weather file, SAM calculates it from the dry-bulb temperature, atmospheric pressure, and relative humidity values in the weather file, but unfortunately does not report the result.
Best regards,
Paul.
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                16 Jul 2019 05:14                #7543
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        Hi Paul,
Okay, now I see it!
But still I have the same problem with de cooling system. Could you help me?
Thank you again,
Javier
    Okay, now I see it!
But still I have the same problem with de cooling system. Could you help me?
Thank you again,
Javier
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                16 Jul 2019 08:02                #7544
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        Hi Javier,
I have asked the CSP engineers for a sample file for wet cooling and will let you know when I hear back from them.
Best regards,
Paul.
    I have asked the CSP engineers for a sample file for wet cooling and will let you know when I hear back from them.
Best regards,
Paul.
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